(http://israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/Ignatius_Loyola.htm)Quote: "The first Jesuits were crypto‑Jews. Ignatius Loyola himself was a crypto‑Jew of the Occult Cabala. A crypto‑Jew is a Jew who converts to another religion and outwardly embraces the new religion, while secretly maintaining Jewish practices. As John Torell explains: In 1491 San Ignacio de Loyola was born in the Basque Province of Guipuzcoa, Spain. His parents were Marranos and at the time of his birth the family was very wealthy. As a young man he became a member of the Jewish Illuminati order in Spain." Delcroix points out that Loyola was a Jew. "It is a historical fact," says he,"Look it up." Del signs off and the conversation goes into free-fall as the congregation of dimwits choose to steadfastly ignore his significant contribution. The fellow who desperately wants to read the Jesuit's Oath does so. Despite the disturbing assortment of snorts, grunts and phlem-filled guffaws throughout, had Del's point been acknowledged, I would have been interested in hearing a dialogue on such questions as:"Why would a Jew create an Order to serve the Catholic Church?" or"Was the Catholic Church opposed to the Helio Model from the start and why (aside from the fact the theory was contrary to the science of the day)?" and "Has the Helio Model effectively weakened or strengthened the Catholic Church's position over time?" But no such luck. I signed off too.